Listened to a recitation once of a woman who was vegetarian first and now butcher.
Totally interesting and great person with very caring believes! 
Talk about doing a complete 180 
Is it? 
I’m not sure if I should be a troll or not.
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Well now it’s too late, shouldn’t have blown your cover
Of course, it’s like an antilope turning into a lion
Totally disagree with that statement! 
How so? It may not be a full 180 but its pretty dern close. A full 180 would probably be turning from a vegan who turns to hunting for sport. But its still a person who doesn’t believe in and is against the idea of killing and consuming animals becoming someone who actively works in and benefits the meat market, thus promoting the idea of killing animals.
Just right now I’m to angry for a discussion. (Due to the phone situation 
)
But just as a hint:
Do you really believe eating like this 
is connected with more animal welfare than this 
Vegans still eat meat flavored foods because they enjoy the taste. They just won’t eat meat or animal products because they don’t believe in how the animals are treated when being prepared to be slaughtered.
The second image you showed does show the animals having a better quality of life than most animals being slaughtered for food. However in the end, if they are being slaughtered for food, they will have no chance and will end up the same way as all the others 
I’m no vegan but I do admit it is pretty screwed up.
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That’s not what I’m talking about. What do you know about this factory produced stuff? What about the ingredients? About the soil it is produced on? How the workers get paid? How they handle the chemicals? How the environment? All important stuff for animal well being and environment protection.
To go back to regional, sustainable, fair trade, healthy soil, environment, people… can sure show that also using animals is the better alternative.
That could be applied to most of food production environments. And vegans are focused on the animals environment and treatment, they don’t care about that other stuff. In addition, vegans aren’t forced to eat artificial meat. Many just choose to eat vegetables, beans, rice, etc. which they know are all freshly grown.
Unless the entire population turns over to veganism (idk if that is a word) it is the only solution. The population is too large to feed it meat and fish humanely. The only way is through farming the domesticated animals and slaughtering them.
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This @anna834. Just seeing it from the person perspective, wasn’t talking about the environmental consequences.
Yes, but another alternative is vegetarianism. Vegetarians don’t eat meat but still consume animal based products like milk and eggs, unlike vegans.
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Yea true. I guess I usually consider both of them the same forgetting that they’re both separate practices. It would work as well if the world turned to vegetarianism. However you run into the same dilemma in that that would be impossible. You can’t possibly convert everyone and if a sizable population remains then the meat industry still flourishes.
It would work very well, and it’s already happening more and more these last couple years. I even became vegetarian myself lol. Converting everyone is indeed impossible, but the more people ‘turn’, the less flourishing the meat industry will be.
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Its a big conversation theme and lots of options.
I just wanted to explain way this isn’t necessarily a 180 change.
If you be a vegan for the reason you want to safe our planet and try to see behind the methods and the workings of the food industry, you can change your strategy and it’s still no 180 change.
For example you start growing yor own food. So you have your garden and it’s not a small one, cause it is a lot of plants you need for food. And then the next step is, that it would be nice to have organic fertilizer and something that takes care of your waist. So chicken and way not eat the eggs? And chicken love to have a rooster with them, love to have little ones. And you just can’t keep all the baby roosters.
Or another scenario, more to the article. You look at the bigger picture and see that there are, oh, don’t know the exact number, but say 1 % vegans and all the rest meateaters. And you will probably never change enough people to make a real difference. So what can I do, to make things better? Break the monopol of the factory farmers. With sustainable small, more then one product farming.
Bay the way 
To be just a vegetarian change nothing really. For milk you need babys. And to get the milk, you have to take the babys from there mothers. And then? The normal industrial milk cow or milk goat is so breed for milk that the little male babys have no worth at all. They get mostly killed right after birth or after a few weeks.
I, myself couldn’t work on milk farms, never will. Also not on any farm that keeps one species of animals just for meat.
But I am a pasturalist with all my heart! 
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, I need to start making a stockpile of S7s, ASAP.
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Lmao 
lol just kidding 
Didn’t know they were jumping ship too
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I just find it funny that they deleted all their videos bashing Apple for doing what they’re now also doing.
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Makes it seem like Apple was ahead of the curve
And you know Apple has them videos saved for their next ad campaign
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