A novel triggered by the deaths of Chester and Chris

On writing forums we call it M for mature content :neutral_face: usually ā€˜lemonsā€™ :nauseated_face:

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So iā€™m still immature I guess :slight_smile:

:expressionless::joy:

Thereā€™s parts of the story in which he includes lyrics or themes from them and from what I understood itā€™s a story of going through things and coming out the other side so yeah it can work but anyway itā€™s not ā€œdirectlyā€ about them
Just heavily influenced

Lemons??

Heeheehee youā€™re not alone :crazy_face:
Either too intense or too stupid never in the middle :rofl:

I think we all are :laughing: itā€™s the best way to be!

Seriously, you donā€™t want to know.

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Guys, the novel is not about Chesterā€™s death, but itā€™s about the heroā€™s depression, about how the lyrics and music of LP (mostly), Audioslave, Scott Weiland etc. followed the main character through life. Itā€™s about how he wanted to escape, ā€œto find a place for his headā€, about how he got ā€œone step closer to the edgeā€ with every day and so onā€¦ And itā€™s not about sex, drugs or anything else. Itā€™s all about depression, and how all these interacted and influence facts in his life. Itā€™s obvious that one chapter, 1-2% of the book cannot show this clearly. You have to read it and, why not?, listen to the music that I mention in the book.

The deaths of Chris and Chester were just the moments that made me start writing more seriously. I used to write before for myself, but that moment was a shock for me coming shortly after my motherā€™s death.

I hope that I managed to clarify things. Itā€™s about life, relationships, emotions, depression, suffering, childhood traumas, issue with life in general. Isnā€™t that what LP is singing about? I tried to associate moments in life with the songs, more precisely the message in the songs.

Yes, framos1792, you got it right here and when you wrote also that ā€œitā€™s a story of going through things and coming out the other sideā€. Itā€™s not directly about LP or any other band, but itā€™s about their message and how the hero can resonate with that. And yes, sex is part of life. But the book is not about sex or drugs. Itā€™s much more. But one chapter cannot shed the light on the whole picture.

Yeah I assumed so, again-Iā€™m just stating fact that to many, the first chapter of a book hitting you with that scene is uhhhā€¦ graphic lol

If I were guessing, you start with the character at rock bottom per se and then turn it around soooo yeah

Anyway canā€™t win em all :upside_down_face:

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Well, my friend, the purpose of a song, a book, a film is to awaken feelings. If I managed to do that, be it disgust or whatever else, I achieved my goal. And above all, I felt good writing it with my music so loud that the walls started to crack. :slight_smile:

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F***! I hate my honesty rules. :expressionless:

It is not that I didnā€™t like your writing.

I read books in a way of drowning in the story, let me fall into characters, live with him or her.

And I would have chosen to not have sex with you, especially with no preparations.
(Ja, ja, someone said, why didnā€™t you just stop, nice that you can right in the middle of it :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::crazy_face:)

The whole thing could have been different when it wasnā€™t starting that way, or even if I had the whole book, could continue reading, wouldnā€™t have the feeling that everybody or you is watching were I am right now.

Ok. I was a little bit pissed.
But all good now. :ok_woman:

Anna, honesty is the best. Donā€™t hate this rule. And donā€™t worry, I donā€™t take this opinion as an offense. You are entitled to say that you donā€™t like the first chapter or the entire book once you read it. The discussion is friendly, so itā€™s a good thing. I donā€™t like ugly criticism, but smartly expressed opinions I do even if they are against what I would like to hear. This wisdom comes with time. Iā€™m too old for being an egotistic dick. :slight_smile:

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As the word ā€˜sexā€™ sells everything I couldnā€™t resist the temptation and have finally read the first chapter.
My first impression is the following:

  • Iā€™d like to know something more about the bad wife who castrates,only gets money from the guy and has no pleasure in sex (wondering why). I hope that Iā€™ll meet her in the chapters to come and that she is not just reduced to the three points Iā€™ve mentioned above.
  • very literal depiction of sex in literature (let alone the first chapter) is always a bit too much for me. Those things seem more interesting if they are only slightly implied and when the curtain falls in the right moment.
  • off course, I didnā€™t expect your novel was gonna be about Chester or Chris. After someone had mentioned sex I just wondered how sex at the very beginning could be attached to the deaths of the 2 musicians.

However, Iā€™d like to read more to find out why the guy is running away, where from and where to.

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Iā€™m glad that youā€™d like to read more. :slight_smile: Iā€™ll upload the next chapter at the end of next week. Maybe sex sells. I donā€™t know. Sex is part of our lives from when we are teenagers till we die, and it is a source of many good and/or bad moments in life. But I have to emphasize that this is not about sex. Itā€™s about a person who tells his story, and sex, alcohol, depression, sadness, loveā€¦ are part of it. Itā€™s about how he sees life after many childhood issues and disappointments as an adult. Heā€™s not a loveable dude, and he might not be right. Itā€™s just about his point of view and feelings. He may be totally wrong about how he perceives the world, but do you think that a person who commits suicide has the right views on the world or not? Do you think that a person tormented by the past, with intense depressive moments has a sound judgment of what is going on around?

You questions are rethorical, arenā€™t they?
Iā€™m not gonna judge your book book by its first chapter. Just waiting to find out who the main character is and what he is struggling with in detail.

The first chapter may be shocking but it may also turn out legitimate. I remember that I was about to give up reading ā€˜The Cider House Rulesā€™ by Irving after I came across something disgusting there. It turned out it was crucial to understand same of the main characterā€™s choices (and the book turned out to be one of my favorite ones).

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As a writer myself, I understand there is more to a book than the first chapter and it is endlessly frustrating when your entire work feels judged on the wrong bits of the story. I fully appreciate there is depth to the story and it is a journey through life, and with that comes relationships. I personally donā€™t read stories that are overtly graphic and itā€™s always wise to add a warning at the start (or in your summary before the chapter) to highlight what triggers it may contain. Iā€™m certain writing this story is a huge achievement for you and I can clearly see it means so much to you. Please do keep writing as itā€™s amazingly healing and freeing. You can be anything as a writer and you can deal with everything without fear. That is the beauty of it. If you ever want to share any lighter pieces or edited versions of your work (without the mature content) I will happily read it and let you have an honest and sincere review. Iā€™ve written one very short piece under ā€˜We love you Chesterā€™ if youā€™d like to read it. Iā€™m not plugging my work, merely sharing with a fellow author. Regardless, I wish you the absolute best with your novel and itā€™s beautiful to see how much it means to you. Really.

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Dear zanybelle,
Sex is omnipresent in literature, from Aristophanes, in the 5th century BC, to Boccaccio in the Middle Ages and to Henry Miller and Bukowski in the 20th century or many more. And they are real masterpieces of world literature with no warning to the reader. I believe that people nowadays exaggerate everything to epic proportions. If this is the case, then I think that some songs from LP should include a warning before being played. I donā€™t think that a childrenā€™s education will go down the drain if the child reads a book with a little bit of graphic sex. Access to pornography is so easy nowadays, adults get wasted in front of children and so onā€¦ Why be ashamed or scared?
I grew up in a dark communist era in Eastern Europe that has marked my entire life. Iā€™ve seen and experienced things that are hard to express without creating upsetting images. And those conditions over 40 years ago here were graphic just as being fā€¦d deeply every day. It was a daily rape in one shape or another, and this is what I wanted to express. I cannot speak about beautiful roses and white picket fences just as the LP songs are not about a fairy-tale happiness, but the songs express darkness, sadness, depressionā€¦ And I donā€™t think that listeners should be warned. Itā€™s enough that they are not really played on any mainstream channel. We have to listen to politically correct songs. And I didnā€™t want to write a fake book. Whether readers like it or hate, I am happy if I brought up real feelings to the surface of a single soul. Sorry, guys, if I upset anyone!

I donā€™t think sex is essential to literature at all. In fact, sexualised literature is often only used to sell to those who crave it. It doesnā€™t add to the originality of the story, nor is it anything to behold. As adults we donā€™t need to be subjected to any sexual content simply to enjoy a story. We are worldly enough to understand implicit fiction.

LP do not actually mention sexual content, so to use their lyrics to make your point is null and void. And some of their albums do carry a warning ā€œExplicit Contentā€ so your point is working against your own argument.

You ignored every positive comment I made and focused solely on your defense, which is probably why it was poorly executed.

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I am purchasing your book - thank you so much for sharng!!!

I agree with @zanybelle as your novel had generaly a good reception with a slight doze of criticism.

Could you eleborate on it a bit? Iā€™m from Poland but I donā€™t find the time of my chlidhood dark. If you compare it with today, it may have been not so consumption-oriented but still fine.

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Thank you! Please be patient, and read more pages before you decide if you like it or not. You may very well not like it, and I am not upset if you say so. But if you have questions or any kind of feedback, I will reply on my Amazon authorā€™s page. You will see the connection between the music and the hero as you go on. And yes, there is sex in the book because we, humans, have sex regularly. Let me know what you like and what you donā€™t. I am working on a second book as we speak. Actually I work on a volume of poetry, but also on another novel. But that is not a topic to be discussed on this forum. Only the first book was/is because of the reasons that I had mentioned.