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That’s not too bad, the family laptop is from around that time and is mostly fine. It could do with an SSD and the wifi card has started acting up, but besides to ruined hinge, it’s not too bad. I have a friend in uni who runs and 2nd gen i5 in his Thinkpad and is fine with it.

Robust = Thinkpad, they’re known for legitimately denting people’s floors when they get dropped. My friend put a dent in his wall with his when he slid it across his bed.

That’s a slightly tougher one, 17" laptops are a rarity these days. You can get some, but specs aren’t great and they aren’t robust and 17" Thinkpads are overpriced AF.

An i5 should do you (or whatever the equivalent AMD is).

This is 2020, not 1990 :joy:. Finding a laptop with real ports these days is damn near impossible (which drives me apeshit, I loathe dongles) and you definitely won’t find anything with an optical drive.

You can get plenty for under a grand. However, there’s only one thing that is 17", robust and with ports, and that’s a Thinkpad P73. The problem? They start at ~£1.8K, because they’re professional machines. At that price you’d be better off with a Dell Precision 7740. Slightly less robust, but much better value for money and still an enterprise-grade laptop.

https://www.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/ThinkPad-P73/p/22WS2WPWP73

17", nowhere near as robust and with some ports? Dell Inspiron 3793 with an i5, this one even has an optical drive.

https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/laptops-notebooks-and-2-in-1-laptops/inspiron-17-3000/spd/inspiron-17-3793-laptop/cn37904

17", fairly robust but with no ports (from what little we know so far)? The upcoming Dell XPS 17. Though it will probably be stupidly expensive. I personally have my eye on it.

Finding all of what you want in one laptop today is damn-near impossible. You’d have to scarifice one thing or another. If I had to drop one criteria it would be the size. You can find a hell of a lot more on the 15" market.

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Thank you :slightly_smiling_face:
Have to go. Will look more into it later.
Ok, lets drop to 15" :grin:

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If this post reads weirdly, it’s because I’m typing it as I dig.

Looking at in now, 15" Lenovos also seem to be out of your price range which is a shame (I’m annoyed that they hold such high prices). You’d have better luck finding a 17" than something robust. Though, nobody makes robust laptops anymore, just Lenovo and a couple of Dells, and they’re all stupidly expensive and designed to be used by field engineers who’re expected to go swimming in volcanos.


Dell

For 15" I’d straight up recommend a Dell XPS (I’m considering robustness here) with an i5, I’ve had mine for just over 2 years, and besides what W10 has done to it, it has been pretty much flawless (the bad RAM was an upgrade part that I bought). I would recommend one from a couple of models ago (9560 or 9570), because they should be much cheaper than the current one…that’s if you can find a brand new one though. With the current one you’re better off getting an Inspiron, it has the same hardware for the most part, it just isn’t built anywhere near as well.

Speaking of, the Inspiron 15 is a good choice. a 5000 or 7000 series would do you well, although, I’ve started looking at the German site and the 5000 series seems to be better value for money. The below one seems to be sensibly priced.

https://www.dell.com/de-de/shop/laptops-2-in-1-pcs/inspiron-15-5000/spd/inspiron-15-5593-laptop/cn59308

However, looking at it, the 17" with the same hardware only costs 50€ more and has a bigger screen (same resolution) and an optical drive (the one I linked in the last post).

If you’re willing to look like a bit of a spanner and spend a bit more (still within budget), the low end Dell G3 is a good option, yes it’s a gaming laptop, but it has better hardware than the Inspirons (but it is only a 15").

https://www.dell.com/de-de/shop/alle-laptop-und-desktop-pc-angebote/dell-g3-15/spd/g-series-15-3590-laptop/cn35931


HP

You can also find some not so bad HPs, but I can’t speak to their build quality, my guess would be plastic-y. The good thing is that HPs are everywhere, so you can walk into a tech shop and have a look and feel for yourself (obviously when the pandemic is over lol).

I would post links to laptops, but their site is broken AF, so gave up.

Screw it, I went the old school way with Ctrl F. :stuck_out_tongue:

For 17" I couldn’t find anything to beat that Dell, it was either the same hardware, but for more or less hardware for the same kind of price. Now that I’ve searched through the 15s as well, my advice would be to look for HPs in other places (don’t know what shops you have over there), their official prices are stupid. Look for anything that might compare to the Dell Inspirions.

The only thing I found was a gaming Pavilion which costs 50€ less than the Dell G3, it has a significantly better graphics card (which in your case means exactly nothing as you don’t even need one), but it has an AMD CPU. I’m not familiar with AMD’s stuff so I can only speak from benchmarks I’ve found online and they appear (on the surface at least) to be similar. The Dell has 1 extra USB-A port.

https://store.hp.com/GermanyStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=8KT40EA&opt=ABD&sel=NTB


Acer and Asus

I’m not a fan of recommending these unless I absoloutely have to. They don’t have the best reputation here, but I’ve heard they’ve improved a lot over the years. So, consider these at your own risk.

Right, I just spent 30 mins digging through Acer’s site, all that’s on sale is nonsense and things that look good aren’t even available for purchase for some reason.

Seems to be the same sort of story with Asus, either outdated or too expensive.

Again, if you can, look for something similar to the Dells.


Apple

Nah, I’m just screwing with you. :joy:


It seems that for your requirements, that 17" Dell will suit you. It’s not built like a tank, but again, very few laptops are. Other than that, it meets all the other points. The only problem I see with it is that it has a rather small battery.

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Wow!! :exploding_head:
Thank you!
What an amount of information you put together in such a short time!
I will probably need a little to digest this all.

Showed it to my son and he looked over it:
“Apple?” :flushed:
Klicked on it and burst out in laughter. :rofl:

Don’t you wonder, I tend to need weeks for a final decision. And if the situation would be different, I also would go to shops and annoy the crap out of all this quick this is good, take it sells clerks.
I haven’t with the Aldi just cause it had to be really fast.

So really thanks again!!! :blush: (more allergies :laughing:)

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The problem is that large tech shop employees are either just incompetent and don’t know anything about computers, or try to sell you something you don’t actually need just to make a profit. Your repair/service bloke seems to know what he’s talking about, so I’d consult with him as well.

Laptop development has plateaued, pretty much everything is the same, especially in the consumer-grade garbage. The professional-grade market isn’t that much better, but there’s still some differences. These days it’s a matter of finding the best price.

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Old “new” condition models or open box with warranty depending on what they offer

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Ex-display might be ok, but ONLY if it has been in a shop window or in a glass case. Not out for everyone to mess with and get crap on.

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My son send me this link and is totally exited about it. Saw some good critics. But its really expensive.

https://store.hp.com/GermanyStore/Merch/Product.aspx?id=8KT40EA&opt=ABD&sel=NTB
With this one, he says the processor isn’t that good.

But I not even have the money in the bank yet and drive working tomorrow for the next weeks. So no hurry.

Besides the CPU, there’s nothing spectacular about it. An A51M would probably eat it alive. Not to mention this is a 15", there’s no way that thing can keep a desktop CPU cool if the 17" A51M struggles with its desktop i9.

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It’s also 2k tho :joy:

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It is, but you get more and I’d trust Alienware more than some brand I’ve never heard of.

EDIT:

@framos1792 I just spec’d it up to how I’d have it. It comes out to £3884. The base price of 1.3K€ doesn’t include the Ryzen 9 or the massive RAM or SSDs.

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With the base config they’re charging 1257€ and it doesn’t even come with drives or an OS, only a 2060 and a Ryzen 5 3600 and it only has a 230W PSU. The A51M has 2 extra RAM slots, a bigger screen, socketed GPU, bigger battery and a 510W PSU (granted, it’s in 2 bricks for legal reasons).

Yeah, my son allredy saw hes mistake in the pricing

If the pricing really was that low, it would be the bargain of the century.

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Where did the good old days with good old ICloud payment plans have gone to? I mean, 200GB isn’t enough for my 12,5 thousand of pictures and nearly 2 thousand videos( I’ve deleted some old studying stuff which resulted in deleting 6,5K of pictures… damn)( and I don’t even mention my devises’ copies, documents and tests for uni and so on) yet I know that I can fit ALL of my files on a 300-400GB and iCloud just won’t let me buy it. Instead they offer a 10 bucks monthly subscription to 2TB of space which I find a waste of money

More on topic - recently I’ve got myself a USB type C hub for my tablet which I find pretty awesome (3,5mm jack is now back in town!). This is a 7 in 1 hub designed specially for IPad Pro. It includes USB-A, USB type C, mini jack, microSD, SD and HDMI ports. Actually I’ve looked forward to it because of the SD and 3,5mm ports (I NEED a SD-reading device and I’m not really happy about carrying a laptop with a shitty sd to usb converter around)

Local storage all the way. That’s why I want multiple drive bays in a device.

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Another big leak from Dell, at this point I don’t know if they’re doing it delibarately or if they just employ imbeciles. Their French site leaked the listings for the new XPSs. Apparently the 17 will have dual M.2 bays (something I’ve been waiting for), you’ll still get dual RAM slots in both of them, but from what I understand, the WiFi card will be soldered in for reasons that are beyond me. Also, for some reason they dropped the battery size of the 15 from 97Wh to 84Wh which is what it used to be in the older models like the 9550. The 17 still has a 97Wh battery.

The most noteworthy thing though is that they’ll somehow manage to cram a bloody RTX 2060 into the 17. What I don’t get though is that they’ll cram an 2060 in, but not an i9 10980HK, instead you’ll get an i9 10885H. That’s a CPU that not even Intel has announced yet, nobody can seem to tell the difference yet, but if I had to guess it will be what the 9880H was to the 9980HK, a slightly down-tuned version of the 10980HK that can’t be overclocked (although, good luck overclocking an i9 in a laptop like that LOL).

I’m slightly skeptical of the CPU options though, because there are benchmark logs on userbenchmark (I know the site is kind of a joke for their scores, but their hardware detection is on point) that show the 15 to have a 10980HK. So if they can cram it into the a 15, why not a 17?

The listing unfrotunately didn’t include a release date or price, but my guess is in the next month or two and that the base models will cost at least 2 lungs and a liver.

Which means? :joy:

It means they’ll probably be bloody expensive, even at the low end.

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